Lauren Goode: What is the example of that?

Louise Matsakis: So, for example, there are some Chinese influences that spread theories of conspiracy that the Indians draw the use of visa to migrate.

Lauren Goode: Interesting. We both covered Chinese businesses and workers for years. Does it surprise you?

Zeyi Yang: I say yes, but not. Nothing is because I know that China is not yet a country immigrant, so the idea of ​​introducing many foreign talents, surely develop some greater anger in the population. That’s part I’m sure. The thing I feel after China is trying to open the world for some decades at this point in these Chinese from Chinese people because it also wants to be a AI leader. And now, the only model they can take care of is the United States, building a ton of immigrant talent to build the AI ​​industry. So, I think that kind of policy orientation will push them to the Xenophobic obstacles we see, but in sadness, the situation as it cannot.

Lauren Goode: So there are some of its culture challenges. I mean, what do you think some of the other challenges to face in China as it tries to roll this v visa and attract foreign talent?

Louise Matsakis: I mean, I think that the main thing is just China, like Zeyi, is not a perfect country of immigrants. In 2020, only 0.1% of the mainland population consist of foreigners, according to one estimate. And it is also known that the estimate includes people from Taiwan, Macau, and Hong Kong. These are areas similar to Chinese culture. So, the number of people from Africa, or North America, or Europe is strange as compared to China’s population size. In the US, about 15% of people living in this country are immigrants. That’s a big difference. So, I thought it would be difficult for newcomers to adjust. It’s a hard language. There is a different ecosystem in apps and programs you need to use. I remember the first time I continued to travel in Chinese business, I need to get the receipt for my expenses, and I’m like, “Can I email me a PDF on my receipt?” And the people of the hotel looked like me as I was crazy. And they are like, “We’ll just send it to me we’re watching.” And I’m like, “Oh.” There are a lot of small things like that are really different, whereeas for the last few decades, American tech companies have been so ubiquitous in the rest of the world, they’re probably going to be using the same email platforms, the same Social media networks. And many business behaviors are the same, right? Of course, there are cultural differences. And when people get homickic, they can find a community of immigrant wherever they are. They can see the food reminding them at home. That is not the case in China. And so, I think the idea of ​​a city like Shanghai or Beijing has become a real cosmopolitan hub that a mix of different cultures is something so far from now. I think it can happen, and I think it is likely to happen as the shift of global power to escape from the US. I think at this time where we didn’t make a lot of good choices, and we never had a lot of friends around the world, but it started in a different place than a town like San Francisco.